! PPRS is death
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Posted on: 09.01.10 at 11:35 PM
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! PPRS is death
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LL contacted me: Hi, Dackedidi.
We spoke a while back about your concerns over whether the Profile Picks Rewards System is in compliance with Linden Lab's policies, and I said I'd get back to you before we took any action on the issue. Thanks for being proactive about this. I really appreciated your concern for the overall health of Second Life and your interest in being a part of the long-term success of the platform.
Yesterday, I published further clarifications that reiterate link-farming and machine-based rank inflation programs are violations of our policy. In this previous statement, we made it clear that any attempt to unfairly increase Search ranking, regardless of how it is achieved, is a violation of our Search policies (see also). Our enforcement on this issue will be stepped up over the next month, including changes in the algorithm for Picks ranking and taking action against accounts that engage in search-gaming activities.
What this means for you specifically is that we will no longer allow the PPRS system to be sold on XStreetSL, and we need you to disable the system in order to keep your Second Life account active.
We will take no action against the accounts of your former customers, however, these Residents may begin to notice that their rank may change in Search due to changes in Picks weighting.
We recognize this impacts your business, and we'd like to work with you on a reasonable timeline and transition plan. Your entrepreneurial spirit is admirable, and I hope to see you continue to evolve as a successful business person in Second Life.
Let's meet as soon as possible to work out a plan. Colossus Linden will also join us so that he can answer any XStreetSL questions you may have. Our next available time to talk with you is Mon, Jan 11 at noon PDT. Would that work for you? If not, please propose some alternate times.
Thanks for your understanding. I look forward to talking with you. Liana Linden |
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Posted on: 10.01.10 at 05:17 PM
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our answer: Dear Liana,
with deep regret and also lots of concerns I received your message about the future of my PPRS system. Let me assure you that of course I will comply to all requests made. However I would like to discuss and clarify certain aspects. Due to timezone differences I can not attend the suggested live conversation on January 11th and would therefore suggest that we discuss the next steps via email.
Please allow me to give you a short overview about the PPRS as it is today: - 500 different places use the PPRS system, among those many major labels in SL like Sintimacy, Alessandra, Earth & Sky, Indyra Originals, Alyssa Bijoux, Skandalou's, Right!, MyFashion, Luxus, Jaqueline Beamount just to name a few - each day, we have approximately 10.000 payments to unique, active residents - among the users of the system are many new users, whose retention rate PPRS increases, as well as long-time active community members - within the past 30 days we had 34.000 unique residents receiving payments
As you can see, PPRS is one of the largest community projects in SL. The user base is in active dialogue with each other and with the place-owners, and users of the system get encouraged to explore Second Life and visit new places. The participating merchants report of increased sales due to new residents finding their venues. Even without the effect on Search placement,PPRS is an important marketing tool for content creators.
Regarding the procedure I have several questions:
1) I would like to discuss the option of a transitional period in order to shut the system gracefully down and avoid trouble with both the place-owners usingPPRS and - more important - the payment recipients. I need time to inform the users of the impending changes and phase the system out. Please let me know your intendedtimeframe, and I would hope for a constructive and open-spirited discussion on the phasing out timeframe.
2) I need a guarantee from Linden Lab against claims of damage and retaliation from users. The system has been sold well over 1000 timesinworld and on XStreet SL . Apart of that, there is also already booked and paid for ad impressions on the associated HUD. Potential claims of damage can't be fulfilled by me. I also fear that despite complying to your requests, angry users might file abuse reports against me. I need a guarantee from Linden Lab that those abuse reports will NOT lead to me getting banned fromSL.
3) As the major profile pick management system, I have a good overview about the competing systems in SL. Can I expect that all competing systems will have to terminate their services as well? What about online-services like slbiz2life.com which allow you to book profile picks without the need of an inworld system? Can Linden Lab guarantee that those services will shut down as well? What about groups offering raffles whose sole purpose is pick farming? Can I rightfully expect that all businesses will be treated the same and that it is not just my business that has to suffer while "smaller fish" are able to continue their business unharmed?
4) Finally I want to mention that I have spent not only a significant amount of development work into the system, but also have committed to long term obligations for example for server hosting, which will have to be paid by me even after PPRS has to be shut down. I would like to discuss potential ways to adapt/change PPRS in a way that it still complies with any new regulations you want to implement. We have the joint goal to enhance the Search experience for the users and are open to cooperate in any way. We could even imagine a way that Linden Lab incorporates parts of our proven and reliable system as integral part of the Search functionality. We haveacquired quite a lot of knowledge about the usage of the SL -Search in the past and about resident expectations (and especially problems and obstacles new users face) that a knowledge and technology transfer will be beneficial to Linden Lab. We are open to every sensible cooperation offer.
I would like to thank you once again for the open and constructive atmosphere in which this conversation has taken place so far. Again I want to highlight that I will abide to any final decision made by you, but I hope the issues I raised will find consideration on your behalf.
I am looking forward to our reply!
Yours, Dackedidi Miles (Dieter Klepp) & Lux Haller Derbfactory Scriptstore #1 / Haller & Miles / Luxus |
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Posted on: 28.01.10 at 10:06 PM
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thank you for your idea to create the pprs  LG, BanditSoft http://slbot.bettersoft.de  |
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Posted on: 29.01.10 at 10:11 PM
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some days later i got this email
Dackedidi, Thanks for your helpful reply. We're working out some details and will respond fully by early next week. Best, Liana
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Posted on: 29.01.10 at 10:14 PM
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becuse we do not got an email, and another similar systems still on SLX, i wrote this email:
Hello Lalinda. You told me to remove the PPRS system instantly from selling on XStreetSL, so I did. Why can the JVA system still be purchased/sold there? It is a comparable product to the PPRS, paying avatars for making a pick to increase place positions in SL search. As the Content providers heared about a possible ban of PPRS and the lack of possibility to purchase it, they switch to the JVA instead. It does not depend on the System wether it is PPRS or JVA or any other, infact all systems are paying for the same picks. I expected that all businesses will be treated the same and that it is not just my business that has to suffer and JVA can continue unharmed. TY for a reply. https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=453289
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Posted on: 29.01.10 at 10:14 PM
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we got INSTANTLY that answer...
Hi, Dieter.
I think there may have been a miscommunication which resulted in you taking action sooner than you needed to. In my first email, I had proposed that we work out a mutually agreeable and "reasonable timeline and transition plan" for taking action on this issue. I apologize if parts of my email led you to think you needed to take immediate action. You had reached out to me on previous occasions, so I was returning the favor by letting you know that this policy change is coming. My intention in contacting you was to be helpful, as well as to elicit some feedback from someone who would be affected by the policy change.
When we announce the policy change to all XstreetSL vendors, then everyone will be required to comply (including systems like JVA). The date of that general announcement is still being worked out. We haven't moved as quickly as I'd like on this, but the policy is coming and all will be required to comply.
The timeline for merchants to comply is still being decided, partially based on your helpful feedback in your reply to my first email. I can say that once the policy is announced, you, and all other such merchants, will be given at least a month and possibly longer to reach compliance.
Until we've published the policy change and notified merchants like yourself of the timeline, you do not have to take immediate action. It would be perfectly fine if you want to put PPRS back up on XstreetSL in the meanwhile.
Feel free to contact me with further questions. Thanks for your understanding.
Liana |
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Posted on: 01.02.10 at 05:27 AM
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Fight this! We simply cannot let this system die. |
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Posted on: 13.02.10 at 08:53 AM
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I did not know that the PPRS was tied into the rankings. I think a sloution would be just to take out the script from the system that ties into the rankings, have merchants move their green vote box next to the pprs, put up a sign saying something similar to 'thank you, please vote for us' and that lets the people 'choose' based on freewill for the shops' ranking. just an opinion. |
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Posted on: 13.02.10 at 04:53 PM
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Leider spreche ich nicht genug english, um alles wörtlich zu verstehen, aber was ist denn mit all den Leuten, die den PPRS-Hud gekauft haben?
Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass LL beabsichtigt, die Käufer zu entschädigen.... |
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Posted on: 13.02.10 at 05:46 PM
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I agree that unlink pics from search and allowing a good vote rating is the best course of action. Furthermore, what you're doing today is the same that companies do putting their logo on sports uniforms: "wear my logo/pic" so I can give you dollar/linden, a worldwide legal activity |
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Posted on: 13.02.10 at 06:07 PM
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One more time Linden Lab undermines their own business by destroying the business of their partners. I cant see any bad in a system like PPRS. If it negatively influences the search ranking than something in the rating system must be wrong, but not PPRS. Lindan Lab cant make others reliable for their own mistakes.
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Posted on: 13.02.10 at 09:57 PM
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linden labs want to shut down the pprs so more and more companys go for paid ads aka classifieds pprs has become so popular and powerfull that maked scare 

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Posted on: 14.02.10 at 04:06 PM
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me/ hears another nail being pounded into the coffin of the once great SL. |
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Posted on: 14.02.10 at 04:56 PM
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Part of the problem with PPRS is when content providers require avatars to "camp" before they are paid. This results in many hours of lag and congestion until the PPRS has emptied itself out, and leads to abuse reports from others who have difficulty using the sim. This nuisance was one of the reasons LL banned camp chairs and bot farms as place improvers. |
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Posted on: 14.02.10 at 06:44 PM
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LL want to ban profiel pics ??! this is crazy when such practises as allowing bots for example, is considered normal, LL keep your hands of profile pic rewards, it encourages traffic and boosts sales !! Nehemiah Rookstown |
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Posted on: 14.02.10 at 07:27 PM
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I don't see how LL can possibly justify banning the system. In my opinion, it's nothing more than a clever marketing tool that allows people to find new shopping and entertainment spots. The fact that we get paid for keeping a spot in our picks is also a great economy stimulator since we use this money to buy things we may not have been able to afford otherwise.
My suggestion is: All of you out there who are disturbed by this need to let LL know about it. I've already nc'ed Liana Linden with my opinion. I encourage all of you to follow suit. If we can't save the system, at least we can say we tried.
Lucian Lacombe |
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Posted on: 15.02.10 at 02:17 AM
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Quote from | I did not know that the PPRS was tied into the rankings. I think a sloution would be just to take out the script from the system that ties into the rankings, have merchants move their green vote box next to the pprs, put up a sign saying something similar to 'thank you, please vote for us' and that lets the people 'choose' based on freewill for the shops' ranking. just an opinion. | i agree with you. a lot of us will lose sl income if pprs is banned.  |
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Posted on: 15.02.10 at 03:31 AM
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I never made a lot at PPRS, but it was enough over time. I guess I'll have to go back to whoring myself out again. |
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Posted on: 15.02.10 at 08:42 AM
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As annoying as I think Profile Picks can be, they are useful to a newbie to Second Life. I didn't discover money trees until it was almost too late so things like lucky chairs, camping, and Profile picks became some of my main earnings. It isn't much but it was enough to get me L to buy things around SL. Profile Picks essentially help keep the SL economy going. It helps give a newbie a taste of what it is like to be able to afford things, and then you want to participate even more.
How is a newbie supposed to make L after their days with the Money Trees are gone? (You can, but you have to have the time to invest. Some people are too busy with work and school. Not everyone is rich enough or interested enough to invest real money in the beginning.)
I definitely see the down side to PP, but I think the benefits outweigh the cons.
Crow K |
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Posted on: 15.02.10 at 11:35 PM
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I discovered some great places because of PPRS, it's only advertising & sponsorship after all. But of course LL want to do all they can to take the fun out of SL and make sure everyone has to either have a premium account or pay real money to even be able to play.
WTG Linden Labs... NOT! |
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